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« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2011, 03:36:21 am »
Obviously the words sensible and coherent are beyond your comprehension. Too bad ... they really aren't difficult concepts to understand. You also failed (again) to explain why race even matters or why you feel it should even be mentioned. What earthly difference could it possibly make to litterally anything? It's intereting to point out, also once again, that you avoided giving me anything resembling evidence re: your zany oath. Just like on Memebee eh? Talk, talk, talk, babble, babble, babble but when you are asked for something worthwhile and of value ... nothing!

Personally I think you're whacked, out of it, bonkers, nuts as they say. Lots of others have been rather voiciferous in that regard too, Maybe you should start to pay attention to that.

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« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2011, 03:16:05 pm »
   Yo Liar, your writing is quite eloquent however the substance of what you write is nonsense. Anybody with at least a normal IQ can easily understand exactly what I have written below effortlessly disproving your BS.



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This topic isn't idiotic at all. If it was idiotic you wouldn't all be so desperately trying to discredit and suppress this truth which I have uncovered and had confirmed many many times . Adding of course that is quite obvious. What also is quite obvious is the reasons that those who take this oath are so desperate to have kept under wraps. The oaths and rituals involving persecuting the QING , destroying the QING etc... that go along with the FAN QING FU MING oath make alot more sense once you understand who the QING dynasty represents in the oaths and rituals as the actual QING have very successfuilly culturalocided and genocided. over the last 100 years.Only about a dozen people can speak the [ QING ] Manchurian language now . I have come accross many times reading Chinese history books and books on the triads that the MING dynasty in this oath represents han chinese. The natural question is who does the QING dynasty represent in the FAN QING FU MING oaths and related rituals. The actual QING being nomads similar to Mongolians were and are considered by the chinese as being uncivilised FOREIGN barbarians. The hated Manchurians [ QING ] ruled China from 1644 to 1911. Now the fact that nonchinese Canadians to Chinese who have taken these oaths and rituals are represented by QING is evidenced by what they call us in cantonese LO FAN and natives HUNG FAN. LO meaning man and HUNG meaning red and FAN meaning FOREIGN uncivilised barbarian. If one doesn't believe that these terms are derogatory then try calling a chinese person WONG FAN as WONG means yellow.

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« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2011, 04:20:45 pm »
All talk and still no answers, just a bad tempered attempt at avoiding what has been asked of you.

Cat got your tongue? Are you afraid of something?

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« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2011, 05:36:43 pm »
   Yo Liar, your writing is quite eloquent however the substance of what you write is nonsense. Anybody with at least a normal IQ can easily understand exactly what I have written below effortlessly disproving your BS.



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Gary Oak wrote:
This topic isn't idiotic at all. If it was idiotic you wouldn't all be so desperately trying to discredit and suppress this truth which I have uncovered and had confirmed many many times . Adding of course that is quite obvious. What also is quite obvious is the reasons that those who take this oath are so desperate to have kept under wraps. The oaths and rituals involving persecuting the QING , destroying the QING etc... that go along with the FAN QING FU MING oath make alot more sense once you understand who the QING dynasty represents in the oaths and rituals as the actual QING have very successfuilly culturalocided and genocided. over the last 100 years.Only about a dozen people can speak the [ QING ] Manchurian language now . I have come accross many times reading Chinese history books and books on the triads that the MING dynasty in this oath represents han chinese. The natural question is who does the QING dynasty represent in the FAN QING FU MING oaths and related rituals. The actual QING being nomads similar to Mongolians were and are considered by the chinese as being uncivilised FOREIGN barbarians. The hated Manchurians [ QING ] ruled China from 1644 to 1911. Now the fact that nonchinese Canadians to Chinese who have taken these oaths and rituals are represented by QING is evidenced by what they call us in cantonese LO FAN and natives HUNG FAN. LO meaning man and HUNG meaning red and FAN meaning FOREIGN uncivilised barbarian. If one doesn't believe that these terms are derogatory then try calling a chinese person WONG FAN as WONG means yellow.

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« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2011, 01:47:59 am »
China Cyber Attacks Threaten U.S. Security

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China?s ?predatory? campaign of intellectual property theft through cyber attacks against the United States and other Western nations has reached ?an intolerable level? that is harming U.S. national security, the chairman of the House intelligence committee said Tuesday.

In the most explicit public criticisms of Chinese cyber spying by a senior American official, Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) said the U.S. and its allies must confront Beijing, which he said is waging ?a massive trade war against all of us,? resulting in a slow and destructive transfer of military and technological secrets from the West to China.

Although major cyber intrusions have been attributed by outside experts to China, ?that?s just the tip of the iceberg,? Rogers said. ?There are more companies that have been hit that won?t talk about it to the press for fear of provoking further Chinese attacks.?

Rep Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland, ranking Democrat on the committee, said cyber spies have stolen ?critical defense files,? including details about U.S. fighter jets, missile systems and unmanned drones,? although he didn?t attribute those incidents to China.

Rogers' comments at a committee hearing on cyber security come at a time when General Electric is facing questions about its decision to transfer technology and production to China in a joint venture with China?s state-owned avionics company.

The U.S. is the world?s leader in avionics, the ?brains? of aircraft, and despite GE?s insistence that it will wall off technological secrets at its Chinese facility, some critics question whether that would be possible.

?Historical experience strongly suggests that leakage of technology in these kinds of circumstances is virtually impossible to prevent,? wrote Clyde Prestowitz, a former Reagan administration trade official, on foreignpolicy.com.

GE?s chief executive, Jeffrey Immelt, is chairman of the President's Commission on Jobs and Competitiveness.

Former CIA and National Security Agency director Michael Hayden, meanwhile, testified that the public doesn?t understand the threat from cyber espionage in part because ?this information is horribly overclassified inside the government.?

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« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2011, 11:21:28 pm »
CHINESE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES PENETRATION OF CANADIAN COMPANIES


46. All areas of the Canadian economy are targeted, but high technology is the one most at risk. Several cases of theft of Canadian proprietary information and/or technology have been reported to and investigated by Canadian authorities. For example, Ontario Hydro believes it was the victim of theft of information in the nuclear technology field by an individual of Chinese origin. This individual sent unauthorized faxes (some containing hours worth of data) to a telephone number in China, associated with the State Science and Technology Commission. In another case, a Chinese employee of a major computer company based in Canada was accused of copying the company's proprietary information onto diskette, for the purposes of selling the information to China. In a third instance, a Canadian company alleged that one of their former employees, who had previously served in the Chinese military, stole proprietary information regarding energy technology and sold it to the Chinese government. (S)


47. The Chinese government also takes advantage of growing business ties between China and Canada to provide cover for intelligence activities. For example, a company owned by a Chinese-Canadian sponsored what was ostensibly a Chinese business delegation to come to Canada. In reality, the "delegation" was comprised of Ministry of State Security officials travelling to Canada to conduct an intelligence operation. Another delegation that travelled to Canada under the cover of representing a Chinese company was actually composed of officers from a sensitive sector of the People's Liberation Army, who were attempting to make arrangements to purchase secure communications technology for military purposes.


48. The ChIS do not hesitate to expend great energy on pursuing their activities. They have established companies on Canadian soil solely for traditional and economic espionage purposes. These companies are used as cover for ChIS agents to help gain them an entree into Canadian business circles. These front companies have been observed to have contacts with the triads in Canada. (S)


INTERFERENCE BY FINANCING OF CANADIAN POLITICAL PARTIES


49. One of the means used by the Hong Kong business people and triads associated to Beijing is to seek influence and support among Canadian politicians by financing political parties. This practice, is not unique to Canada. Recently, a stir was caused in the US media over the illegal Chinese funding of the Democratic Party. Over 2,000 American companies suspected of being used by Chinese are currently under investigation by the FBI. In 1993, Britain was wracked by a similar scandal when over ?1.5 million (or nearly CDN $3 million) was donated to the British Conservative Party by Hong Kong financiers such as Li Ka-Shing (CDA $1.8 million), Stanley Ho ($200,000), Tsu Tsin-Tong ($100,000) and even C.H. Tung ($70,000) who is now Beijing's man in Hong Kong. (C)

50. Canada also allows "Canadian corporate citizens" to make financial contributions to political parties, but the parties are obliged by the Canada Elections Act to report the amounts. Many of the companies identified in this research have contributed sometimes several tens of thousands of dollars to the two traditional political parties, the Liberals and the Conservatives. As examples, in 1994, Merrill Lynch Canada gave the Liberal party $20,432.94. Between 1991 and 1194, Husky Oil, which is owned by Li Ka-Shing, alone contributed over $100,000 to the same two parties. North American Studio (Canada), which was affiliated with the triads, also contributed. Set within their Canadian and regional contexts, the total amount of these contributions to local organizations is substantial. Further, an "entrepreneur" may have several businesses in an area that will also contribute to the parties' funds. In the end, large sums are distributed by various hands but from the same wallet. It is precisely the total amount distributed at several places that makes the interplay of influence and political 'friendships" so important. (S)


51. The information presented here represent only a very partial view of the real situation and brings questions to the amount of influence gain through donations. To obtain a complete picture, further research would be needed. (S)


THE IMPORTANCE OF CHINESE DIASPORA


52. The key to the Chinese riddle lies in understanding the unique culture of the Chinese people.20 The core of this culture is to be found in the importance of developing and maintaining a very broad network of privileged contracts based on the fact of being Chinese, your backers (Hou Tui) and an individual's obligations towards others (Guanxi). Furthermore, no other ethnic group in the world can equal the economic power of the Chinese diaspora. Their numbers are estimated at over 60 million, and their financial power is put conservatively at over US $2 trillion. With the wave of immigration from Hong Kong, this financial power has grown again exponentially. Most Southeast Asian countries have long found their national economics to be dominated sometimes by as much as 90 per cent, by the Chinese community. While not supporting its political views, most Chinese retain a strong attachment to the Motherland remains. The Chinese diaspoa is present on every continent and has always been, willingly or not, the point of entry into and the centre of operations in a foreign country for the ChIS and the triads. (S)


CONSEQUENCE FOR CANADA


53. Because of its strategic alliance with some important and influential Hong Kong business people, and with organized crime syndicates, the Chinese leadership appears to be today in a position to developing a potential of influence over the international market and particularly on the Canadian economy and political life of the country. Why Canada? Because Canada always been somehow favourable in China. It has also an important Chinese community and very important economic tides with Hong Kong. Having bought significant real-estate holdings and established companies in Canada, gain some access to political leaders and business people, it is now in a position to seek power by influence. What make it difficult to argue against it the fact that most of it has been done legally. Even more, the threat is manifold and very elaborated in a complicated web of businesses. It diffuses itself through a not so tangible network. If you look at a single individual, the threat does not seem to be there but because of their associations and their alliances with China, the facts analysed lead to the believe that a gain of influence is been the object of a concerted plan and that could constitute a threat to Canada. (S)


54. Some Chinese owners are now in a position to use the Canadian companies they have bought and some political channels that they have developed to obtain subsidies for research and even classified contracts. Once access is gained, little is in place to prevent them from repatriating the fruits of the research or classified information to China. (S)


55. The triads and their associates also used these positions to transfer large sums of money derived from criminal activities into the Canadian economy. Buying Canadian property or a Canadian business affords a "window" of opportunity to pursue their illegal activities in Canada, such as money-laundering and drug-trafficking. (S)


56. One of the important dimension of the Chinese financial holdings is its ownership over important Canadian real estate. The nerve centre of the Canadian economy is concentrated in three or four large urban centres. Already, a large part of these financial centres are in the hands of Chinese interests.21 Canada is not the only country where we observe this situation. One has only to look at the profile of the Southeast Asian economy or the investigations currently underway in the United States. The Canadian economy, however, is more vulnerable because of many legislative loop hole governing finance and the concentration of financial power in the hands of few. The potential of threat also lies in the fact that, at present, a foreign power, China, seems to be in a position to influence the Canadian economy and politics. (S)

57. Several Canadian companies in the security field, such as computer management and video surveillance, are now owned by Chinese interests. When a contract is awarded by federal departments to private companies, the usual security investigations are done on the persons who will eventually be working on a project or installing equipment. Now a new threat seems to be itself in relation with the ownership of some companies. The case of Data Crown is a good example of this situation. Although some verifications to investigate foreign companies are done by a group of people at the Department of Public Work, it is not impossible that this shortcoming has already been exploited by no one is able at the moment to answer this question with any certainty because of the complexity of the ramifications involving Chinese companies owned or the ones with some special interest with China. (S)


58. There is no longer any doubt that the emigration process in Hong Kong has been abused, and that individuals are being corrupted in some of the Western immigration services. The entry of triad members and the cases of 13 illegal migrants laid against an ex-judge of the immigration services are not the only cases of malpractices and had caused in the past problems to the immigration system. This situation places Canada in a vulnerable position regarding illegal immigration and shows the interest by the Chinese of the Canadian immigration system. (S)


59. China remains one of the greatest ongoing threats to Canada's national security and Canadian industry. There is no longer any doubt that the ChIS have been able to gain influence on important sectors of the Canadian economy, including education, real estate, high technology, security and many others. In turn, it gave them access to economic, political and some military intelligence of Canada. The great difficulties in determining the threat is that it is diverse and multi-layered. It diffuses itself through elaborated networks hold by a cultural practise that still is not well understood by Western Services. (S)


RECOMMENDATIONS


1. An expanded task force including analysts from at least the RCMP, CSIS, DFAIT, Immigration Canada and Revenue Canada (Customs and Excise) should be formed to pursue the research begun by this document. (S)

To assess the actual control of Chinese companies over the Canadian economy. (S)

To review who the influential Canadian figures are on the boards of the Canadian companies. (S)

To consult the FBI, which has recently undertake a similar study; such consultation could prove mutually beneficial. (S)

2. Support a series of presentations to CSIS regional directorates and RCMP divisions to alert operational managers to the need to investigate Chinese activities the better to grasp the links among the Chinese Intelligence Services, the triads and entrepreneurs in the service of Chinese Companies. (S)

3. Organize a series of presentations for senior members of the Canadian security and intelligence community. (S)

4. Organize presentations for specific government departments affected by the problem other than those in the intelligence community, such as Justice and Industry. (S)

5. Undertake review of security companies which have installed security systems for federal government departments and Crown corporations to determine the real control and ownership of the companies and the potential risk to the integrity of the systems. (S)

6. Carry out thorough research to determine the extent of contributions to Canadian political parties by Chinese companies established in Canada. (S)

7. Produce a strategic analysis of the activities and involvement of the government of China and the triads in Chinese entertainment and media in Canada. (S)"dont adjust the world the problem is only temporal"...and, [a mind is like a parachute, it works best when opened.]

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« Reply #66 on: October 10, 2011, 03:18:17 pm »
So much anti-Chinese propaganda here. China is peaceful not harm to others. Your Western economies are destroyed and needs China market and foreign exchange exchange reserves. China not make imperialism like Western ones. China not meddles in foreign countries like Western ones. China had no black slavery like Western ones. Chin`s rise is good for world peace and properity.

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« Reply #67 on: October 10, 2011, 10:21:18 pm »
   This is an interesting comment from China Rising. Wether China Rising is here or in the PRC he would greatly prefer to be living in Canada or in the western nations that he sees as the enemy. Slavery has alwasy existed in China and the only time that it was illegal was in Chiang Kai Sheks day and it went on openly then. It is illegal now but slavery operations still go on. The **** industry is slavery there.  The triads harvesting cripples for begging is slavery as they beg all day and don't get the money.

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« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2011, 05:14:57 am »
As much government as is necessary, as little government as is possible.

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« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2011, 07:18:46 pm »
http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/China+Sinopec+Calgary+based+Daylight+Energy/5527291/story.html

China Buys Another Canadian Oil Company
Hi SY, I caught this on the news tonight. This is big.
Oh boo hoo! You're fretting and moaning about a legal and binding sale? Why don't you whine, holler, spew venom and make a scene when another Canadian business is acquired by the USA? I don't see much of your mindless complaining when that happens. Now why do you suppose that would be ...?

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« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2011, 07:36:39 pm »
NTFL, I don`t have a problem selling resources to foreign companies. This produces jobs and revenue. However, a foreign company owning our resources outright......hmmm. Not many countries would allow that and for good reason.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2011, 01:09:44 pm by Xiao Jie »
As much government as is necessary, as little government as is possible.

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« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2011, 12:15:08 am »
     When issues like this arise I do find it comforting to know that Harper is our Prime Minister



Should the Harper government allow Chinese ownership of Alberta?s oil sands?
By Andy Radia | Canada Politics ? 8 hours agotweet9EmailPrint
Chinese state-owned companies continue to invest billions of dollars in Alberta's oil sands raising fears about Chinese control over Canada's oil industry.

The most recent acquisition came earlier this week when Sinopec International, China's largest refiner, announced it had agreed to buy Canadian based Daylight Energy Ltd. for $2.1 billion US.

The Financial Post reported Chinese companies are poised to make even more significant investments in the weeks and months ahead.

Should the Harper government step in and restrict foreign ownership in our oil industry?

Under Canada's foreign-takeover legislation, known as the Investment Canada Act, foreign acquisitions of companies with assets worth more than $312 million CDN are reviewed by the federal government to determine whether the transaction is a "net benefit" to the country.

As illustrated in a colum in the New York Times, the federal government in the past has nixed several deals involving a foreign purchase or takeover.

In 2004, China Minmetals, a state-owned company, backed away from a takeover of Noranda, then Canada's largest mining company, after a backlash from the public and politicians.

In 2008, the government blocked a bid by Minneapolis-based Alliant Techsystems Inc. in 2008 to acquire the aerospace division of Vancouver-based MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates Ltd.

And, more recently, the Conservative government used the foreign ownership laws to turn down a bid from BHP Billiton of Australia for Potash Corp. of Saskatchewan.

In a recent interview with Bloomberg, Stephen Harper said Canada needs to balance the need to attract more foreign investment with the goal of developing global industry leaders based in Canada.

"The challenge for a government is one would never want a situation where we liberalize the rules, and the immediate result was the loss of all Canadian presence in the sector, so we're obviously proceeding with some caution," he said adding the government welcomes investment by China and other countries, as long as such acquisitions are "economic in nature and don't have other strategic or political objectives."

Paul Evans, the director of the Institute of Asian Research at the University of British Columbia, however, warns politicians not to underestimate Canadians' dislike of foreign owners.

"This can be the kind of issue that can explode," he told the New York Times.

"Surveys underscore how nervous Canadians are about state-owned enterprises from China."

Ultimately, the Harper government will need to make a decision on whether to let Chinese investments in the oil sands continue.

It won't be an easy decision.

"Supporters of Chinese deals say the cash allows Canada to capture capital to develop resources, leads to new customers for its energy outside the United States, promises higher energy prices," Claudia Cattaneo of the Financial Post writes.

"The wrinkle is that the more Canadian resources are controlled by China, the less say Canadians will have over how they are developed, where they are sold and for how much, putting China in the driver's seat."

(AFP Photo)


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« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2011, 12:17:04 am »
So much anti-Chinese propaganda here. China is peaceful not harm to others. Your Western economies are destroyed and needs China market and foreign exchange exchange reserves. China not make imperialism like Western ones. China not meddles in foreign countries like Western ones. China had no black slavery like Western ones. Chin`s rise is good for world peace and properity.
dude is u and rambo wang like one and da same?

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« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2011, 12:21:17 am »
if a company losing da money what be rong  with da foreigners buying it......could save canadian jobs.....maybe even add a few

     When issues like this arise I do find it comforting to know that Harper is our Prime Minister



Should the Harper government allow Chinese ownership of Alberta?s oil sands?
By Andy Radia | Canada Politics ? 8 hours agotweet9EmailPrint
Chinese state-owned companies continue to invest billions of dollars in Alberta's oil sands raising fears about Chinese control over Canada's oil industry.

The most recent acquisition came earlier this week when Sinopec International, China's largest refiner, announced it had agreed to buy Canadian based Daylight Energy Ltd. for $2.1 billion US.

The Financial Post reported Chinese companies are poised to make even more significant investments in the weeks and months ahead.

Should the Harper government step in and restrict foreign ownership in our oil industry?

Under Canada's foreign-takeover legislation, known as the Investment Canada Act, foreign acquisitions of companies with assets worth more than $312 million CDN are reviewed by the federal government to determine whether the transaction is a "net benefit" to the country.

As illustrated in a colum in the New York Times, the federal government in the past has nixed several deals involving a foreign purchase or takeover.

In 2004, China Minmetals, a state-owned company, backed away from a takeover of Noranda, then Canada's largest mining company, after a backlash from the public and politicians.

In 2008, the government blocked a bid by Minneapolis-based Alliant Techsystems Inc. in 2008 to acquire the aerospace division of Vancouver-based MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates Ltd.

And, more recently, the Conservative government used the foreign ownership laws to turn down a bid from BHP Billiton of Australia for Potash Corp. of Saskatchewan.

In a recent interview with Bloomberg, Stephen Harper said Canada needs to balance the need to attract more foreign investment with the goal of developing global industry leaders based in Canada.

"The challenge for a government is one would never want a situation where we liberalize the rules, and the immediate result was the loss of all Canadian presence in the sector, so we're obviously proceeding with some caution," he said adding the government welcomes investment by China and other countries, as long as such acquisitions are "economic in nature and don't have other strategic or political objectives."

Paul Evans, the director of the Institute of Asian Research at the University of British Columbia, however, warns politicians not to underestimate Canadians' dislike of foreign owners.

"This can be the kind of issue that can explode," he told the New York Times.

"Surveys underscore how nervous Canadians are about state-owned enterprises from China."

Ultimately, the Harper government will need to make a decision on whether to let Chinese investments in the oil sands continue.

It won't be an easy decision.

"Supporters of Chinese deals say the cash allows Canada to capture capital to develop resources, leads to new customers for its energy outside the United States, promises higher energy prices," Claudia Cattaneo of the Financial Post writes.

"The wrinkle is that the more Canadian resources are controlled by China, the less say Canadians will have over how they are developed, where they are sold and for how much, putting China in the driver's seat."

(AFP Photo)