Criminal and Madman Maurice Strong

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[Xiao Jie]

I enjoyed the thread you started on MMB with that Texas Congressman explaining the madness surrounding incandescent bulbs. I wanted to respond to that thread , but one of your stalkers(EU) had to wreck it for everyone else.

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I enjoyed the thread you started on MMB with that Texas Congressman explaining the madness surrounding incandescent bulbs. I wanted to respond to that thread , but one of your stalkers(EU) had to wreck it for everyone else.

I do hope these stalkers can be talked to XJ, theyre out to smear evrything. Its personal and malicious. Some I think, get paid to watch me...I really do

[Xiao Jie]

Like a bunch of mean little ten year olds.

[ScotlandYard]

evident by their immature behavior,yes

Its odd tho that they aren't present en masse as ususal

[Xiao Jie]

I posted this article on MMB. I know some people believe that Native Opposition to Northern Gateway is based on principle, but there is a little more to it than that.

Rich American donors have been funnelling colossal amounts of money to Canadian environmental groups ahead of public consultations on Enbridge's Northern Gateway pipeline from Alberta's oilsands to the B.C. coast.

"Billion-dollar American foundations are bullying our country," researcher and writer Vivian Krause told QMI Agency.

Examining tax records in the U.S. and Canada, Krause has calculated that American grants to Canadian environmental groups have reached $300 million over the last decade.
The grants from groups such as the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation, Pew Charitable Trusts and the David & Lucile Packard Foundation have gone to Tides Canada, Ducks Unlimited and others.

Krause adds the recipients then turn around and fund Canadian environmental and aboriginal groups, most of whom work to oppose development in the B.C. rainforest in order to protect the white Kermode bear, or "spirit bear," among other species.

"I cannot understand why American foundations would spend money - hundreds of millions of dollars - saving the Kermode bear, the one bear that isn't being shot at," said Krause.

Tides Canada aims to get all 6.4 million acres of B.C. rainforest declared a protected area, which Krause says would make a huge swath of land from the Alaska border to the northern tip of Vancouver Island "a no-trade zone" by

barring oil tankers or pipelines.

All that comes as around 4,000 individuals and groups prepare to appear before federal public consultations that start Jan. 10, examining Enbridge's proposal to build a pipeline carrying oil from near Edmonton to a marine terminal that would be built in Kitimat, B.C., for tankers headed to Asia.

Speaking near Toronto on Friday, Prime Minister Stephen Harper noted that it's important for Canada to find new customers for its oil.

"It is not in this country's interests that we are a captive supplier of the United States of energy products, especially when we see some of the politics that are going on south of the border," Harper said. "There is a rigorous process in place both in terms of aboriginal consultation and in environmental assessment, and those processes will proceed."
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/02/us ... researcher

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I posted this article on MMB. I know some people believe that Native Opposition to Northern Gateway is based on principle, but there is a little more to it than that.

Rich American donors have been funnelling colossal amounts of money to Canadian environmental groups ahead of public consultations on Enbridge's Northern Gateway pipeline from Alberta's oilsands to the B.C. coast.

"Billion-dollar American foundations are bullying our country," researcher and writer Vivian Krause told QMI Agency.

Examining tax records in the U.S. and Canada, Krause has calculated that American grants to Canadian environmental groups have reached $300 million over the last decade.
The grants from groups such as the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation, Pew Charitable Trusts and the David & Lucile Packard Foundation have gone to Tides Canada, Ducks Unlimited and others.

Krause adds the recipients then turn around and fund Canadian environmental and aboriginal groups, most of whom work to oppose development in the B.C. rainforest in order to protect the white Kermode bear, or "spirit bear," among other species.

"I cannot understand why American foundations would spend money - hundreds of millions of dollars - saving the Kermode bear, the one bear that isn't being shot at," said Krause.

Tides Canada aims to get all 6.4 million acres of B.C. rainforest declared a protected area, which Krause says would make a huge swath of land from the Alaska border to the northern tip of Vancouver Island "a no-trade zone" by

barring oil tankers or pipelines.

All that comes as around 4,000 individuals and groups prepare to appear before federal public consultations that start Jan. 10, examining Enbridge's proposal to build a pipeline carrying oil from near Edmonton to a marine terminal that would be built in Kitimat, B.C., for tankers headed to Asia.

Speaking near Toronto on Friday, Prime Minister Stephen Harper noted that it's important for Canada to find new customers for its oil.

"It is not in this country's interests that we are a captive supplier of the United States of energy products, especially when we see some of the politics that are going on south of the border," Harper said. "There is a rigorous process in place both in terms of aboriginal consultation and in environmental assessment, and those processes will proceed."
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/02/us ... researcher

there;s political interferrence on both sides true. However the  pipeline will go through becuse the elites want it and Harper is their boy.

[Xiao Jie]

There is so much outside interference in Alberta`s oilsands.

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There is so much outside interference in Alberta`s oilsands.

I am afraid for Canada from the Chinese influence more than anything else.

[Xiao Jie]

Foreigners funding anti-oilsands 'mischief'

DANIEL PROUSSALIDIS | PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU

OTTAWA -- Environment Minister Peter Kent has warned that some of the opposition to the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline, which would run from Alberta's oilsands to a new marine terminal in Kitimat, B.C., is not genuine.

"Our government is concerned about some outside finances that have come in to interfere and obstruct what is a legitimate development of...responsibly developed and sustainably developed Canadian resources," Kent said from a climate conference in Durban, South Africa.

He was responding to QMI Agency reports that billionaire American foundations have funnelled $300 million over the last decade to Canadian groups.

Those groups then fund aboriginal and environmental organizations that oppose pipeline or other economic development in B.C. coastal rainforest, which would halt the Northern Gateway proposal.

"I think fair comment is always welcome in a democratic society," said Kent.

"I won't point fingers today, but we are aware of a number of international organizations which have migrated funds ... for mischief purposes."

Interim Liberal leader Bob Rae dismissed Kent's concerns.

"I don't think any of us need to be afraid of anybody participating openly in our discussions as Canadians," said Rae.

Interim NDP leader Nycole Turmel supports the American foundations' activities.

"It's because they believe we're not doing (what is) right on (the) environment in Canada," she said.

Applications from more than 4,000 groups and individuals to appear at public consultations on the Northern Gateway proposal threaten to overwhelm the consultations set to start on January 10.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/world/archives/2011/12/20111205-181620.html

There you have it, the NDP is on the side of foreign billionaire foundations that want to do damage to the Canadian economy.

[Xiao Jie]

 Keep it to yourself
Obama may not want our oil, but let?s not sabotage ourselves
 

Last month, U.S. President Barack Obama announced his refusal to approve Keystone XL, a pipeline that would bring almost a million barrels a day of Canadian ethical oil to the U.S. to replace Venezuelan conflict oil.

That`s Obama?s idea of promoting America`s interests. He`s dead wrong. But what crosses the border into the U.S. is his business. He made his choice.

Our choice has to be to putting Canada`s interests first. We should do everything we can to press Obama to approve Keystone XL. But we?ve got to work on Plan B: Finding other markets for our oil.

Which is why the proposed Northern Gateway Pipeline is such an obvious answer.

That pipeline would go from the oilsands to the B.C. coast, where it would fill up tanker ships from places such as Japan, Korea, Taiwan, India and China. Together, those countries are a far larger market for oil than the U.S.

It would sell about 550,000 barrels a day. That`s about $22 billion a year.

It would be a win for Canada. And a win for the communities in B.C. ravaged by anti-logging extremists who killed their lumber industry. International lobby groups such as Greenpeace, along with billionaire foundations from the U.S., drove thousands of British Columbians out of work, and destroyed dozens of towns that depended on forestry.

This pipeline would help rebuild that damage, through construction and operating jobs and through tax revenues and benefits for Indian bands along the route.

Last week, Elmer Derrick, a hereditary chief of the Gitxcan Indian band in B.C., announced he`d come to an agreement with Enbridge for the pipeline.

Well, the foreign lobby groups who hate the oilsands blew their stack. Here was an Indian daring to side with the oil companies! How dare he!

Immediately these foreign lobbyists swung into action. Some claimed Derrick wasn`t a real chief, or that he couldn`t speak for the band ?? even though he is the band`s official treaty negotiator.

This isn`t a debate amongst Canadians. It`s a war between foreign interests and Canada itself. Earlier this year, when EthicalOil.org, the NGO I`m involved with, ran TV ads comparing how Canada treats women to how Saudi Arabia does, the Saudi embassy threatened me with a lawsuit.

It?s not just OPEC dictatorships. It`s left-wing billionaire playboys in the U.S., too. The U.S. Tides Foundation has funneled millions of dollars to 36 different anti-oilsands groups in Western Canada. Canadians might think there`s a wave of anti-oilsands feeling in Canada. But all 36 are cashing cheques from the same U.S. puppet master.

A handful of big U.S. foundations have given $190 million to undermine Western Canadian resource development over the past decade,  including $10 million to David Suzuki`s foundation. According to research by Vivian Krause, in 2008 Tides` Canadian affiliate paid two Indian bands $27.3 million specifically to oppose the Northern Gateway pipeline. It`s working.

Shame on those chiefs for taking U.S. money to oppose Canada`s national interests and the economic interests of their own people. So much for self-government: Some B.C. bands are selling out their people for cash.This cannot stand.

Keystone XL was stopped by Obama. He`s a fool, but it`s his decision. The Northern Gateway pipeline is a completely Canadian matter. It`s about our national interests. And it`s time our government and any self-respecting Aboriginal leader  blew the whistle on foreign interference.http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/12/05/keep-it-to-yourself

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Keep it to yourself
Obama may not want our oil, but let?s not sabotage ourselves
 

Last month, U.S. President Barack Obama announced his refusal to approve Keystone XL, a pipeline that would bring almost a million barrels a day of Canadian ethical oil to the U.S. to replace Venezuelan conflict oil.

That`s Obama?s idea of promoting America`s interests. He`s dead wrong. But what crosses the border into the U.S. is his business. He made his choice.

Our choice has to be to putting Canada`s interests first. We should do everything we can to press Obama to approve Keystone XL. But we?ve got to work on Plan B: Finding other markets for our oil.

Which is why the proposed Northern Gateway Pipeline is such an obvious answer.

That pipeline would go from the oilsands to the B.C. coast, where it would fill up tanker ships from places such as Japan, Korea, Taiwan, India and China. Together, those countries are a far larger market for oil than the U.S.

It would sell about 550,000 barrels a day. That`s about $22 billion a year.

It would be a win for Canada. And a win for the communities in B.C. ravaged by anti-logging extremists who killed their lumber industry. International lobby groups such as Greenpeace, along with billionaire foundations from the U.S., drove thousands of British Columbians out of work, and destroyed dozens of towns that depended on forestry.

This pipeline would help rebuild that damage, through construction and operating jobs and through tax revenues and benefits for Indian bands along the route.

Last week, Elmer Derrick, a hereditary chief of the Gitxcan Indian band in B.C., announced he`d come to an agreement with Enbridge for the pipeline.

Well, the foreign lobby groups who hate the oilsands blew their stack. Here was an Indian daring to side with the oil companies! How dare he!

Immediately these foreign lobbyists swung into action. Some claimed Derrick wasn`t a real chief, or that he couldn`t speak for the band ?? even though he is the band`s official treaty negotiator.

This isn`t a debate amongst Canadians. It`s a war between foreign interests and Canada itself. Earlier this year, when EthicalOil.org, the NGO I`m involved with, ran TV ads comparing how Canada treats women to how Saudi Arabia does, the Saudi embassy threatened me with a lawsuit.

It?s not just OPEC dictatorships. It`s left-wing billionaire playboys in the U.S., too. The U.S. Tides Foundation has funneled millions of dollars to 36 different anti-oilsands groups in Western Canada. Canadians might think there`s a wave of anti-oilsands feeling in Canada. But all 36 are cashing cheques from the same U.S. puppet master.

A handful of big U.S. foundations have given $190 million to undermine Western Canadian resource development over the past decade,  including $10 million to David Suzuki`s foundation. According to research by Vivian Krause, in 2008 Tides` Canadian affiliate paid two Indian bands $27.3 million specifically to oppose the Northern Gateway pipeline. It`s working.

Shame on those chiefs for taking U.S. money to oppose Canada`s national interests and the economic interests of their own people. So much for self-government: Some B.C. bands are selling out their people for cash.This cannot stand.

Keystone XL was stopped by Obama. He`s a fool, but it`s his decision. The Northern Gateway pipeline is a completely Canadian matter. It`s about our national interests. And it`s time our government and any self-respecting Aboriginal leader  blew the whistle on foreign interference.http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/12/05/keep-it-to-yourself

Soros driven I suspect

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Foreigners funding anti-oilsands 'mischief'

DANIEL PROUSSALIDIS | PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU

OTTAWA -- Environment Minister Peter Kent has warned that some of the opposition to the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline, which would run from Alberta's oilsands to a new marine terminal in Kitimat, B.C., is not genuine.

"Our government is concerned about some outside finances that have come in to interfere and obstruct what is a legitimate development of...responsibly developed and sustainably developed Canadian resources," Kent said from a climate conference in Durban, South Africa.

He was responding to QMI Agency reports that billionaire American foundations have funnelled $300 million over the last decade to Canadian groups.

Those groups then fund aboriginal and environmental organizations that oppose pipeline or other economic development in B.C. coastal rainforest, which would halt the Northern Gateway proposal.

"I think fair comment is always welcome in a democratic society," said Kent.

"I won't point fingers today, but we are aware of a number of international organizations which have migrated funds ... for mischief purposes."

Interim Liberal leader Bob Rae dismissed Kent's concerns.

"I don't think any of us need to be afraid of anybody participating openly in our discussions as Canadians," said Rae.

Interim NDP leader Nycole Turmel supports the American foundations' activities.

"It's because they believe we're not doing (what is) right on (the) environment in Canada," she said.

Applications from more than 4,000 groups and individuals to appear at public consultations on the Northern Gateway proposal threaten to overwhelm the consultations set to start on January 10.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/world/archives/2011/12/20111205-181620.html

There you have it, the NDP is on the side of foreign billionaire foundations that want to do damage to the Canadian economy.

Bob Rae Bilderberger and Power Corp boy ..a rat!

[Xiao Jie]

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Soros driven I suspectUltimately it could be. There are probably a few sugar daddies underwriting opposition to the oilsands.

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I suspect that much of the money that will payout the Natives to support the pipeline comes from foreign sources as well.  There are many American and Chinese interests in the pipeline are there not?

I don't see a problem with the environmental lobby being capable of playing on an equal footing to the oil sands lobby and attempting to buy the pawns who can be bought.  As you know, it is guaranteed that the developers will do this.

My stated hope had nothing to do with these.  I hope that some of the interested parties will stand on principle and make a decision based on the merits of the project, independent of what they are offered as payout.  I don't know if it will happen or not, but I hope it does.

XJ, what you fail to see is the benefit of maintaining the area pipeline and tanker free.  There is no economic gain in this, but there is a gain.  Compare it to the international trade of antiquities.  There is huge money in private trade in that market, but very little in placing artifacts in a museum for public display.  But museums provide protection of and education on the artifacts.  They have a socio-cultural worth that exceeds their financial worth.  You would have a hard time arguing that private ownership is better, even though it generates more revenue growth in a "fossil" market.

Maintaining the area in its current state is similar.  Once you have built the pipeline, you can never go back to what it was before.  There is a powerful interest in preserving it in the state it is currently in.  The oil can be sold later, but you can never buy back wilderness or habitat that has been developed or worse, destroyed.  Thus, the area may have an environmental worth that exceeds its financial worth.  You reject the concept of environmental worth and reason only in financial worth, but environmental worth exists and we will see what value it has to our society in this context.

Canada is one of the few remaining vestiges of wilderness, relatively untouched by man.  Many Canadians have a spiritual relationship with that natural state which would be difficult to explain to those who don't have it.  It has a value to Canadians.  It should come as no shock that those who do not possess this resource in their own country would nevertheless like to see it preserved in others.