Politics.....

[Maggie]

I think after much deliberation, and to my mothers eternal shame, i have become apolitical........meaning i neither care who gets in power or support a particular party...now don't  get me wrong i absolutely hate the left.....with an all consuming passion.....but the extreme left is just an annoyance.....they will never form government in Canada.......my family is very good friends with Harper personally..........he, and several of his past ministers have stayed in (my mothers) home at various times over the years......she eats, breathes and sleeps being a conservative and is well known in the party as she was instrumental in the formation of the Reform party.....
i think the main reason i've reached this conclusion is that there really is very little difference in approach by either mainstream party......liberals are liberals and conservatives are liberals......and as that is not likely to change anytime soon......what difference does it make.......i still think Harper is the far superior leader of the group but their are few or no conservative policies coming out of Ottawa these days....
i think i made the decision some time ago to just worry about me and my family and let all the other baggage go...after all that is really all we can control......our own destiny

[Xiao Jie]

I think after much deliberation, and to my mothers eternal shame, i have become apolitical........meaning i neither care who gets in power or support a particular party...now don't  get me wrong i absolutely hate the left.....with an all consuming passion.....but the extreme left is just an annoyance.....they will never form government in Canada.......my family is very good friends with Harper personally..........he, and several of his past ministers have stayed in (my mothers) home at various times over the years......she eats, breathes and sleeps being a conservative and is well known in the party as she was instrumental in the formation of the Reform party.....
i think the main reason i've reached this conclusion is that there really is very little difference in approach by either mainstream party......liberals are liberals and conservatives are liberals......and as that is not likely to change anytime soon......what difference does it make.......i still think Harper is the far superior leader of the group but their are few or no conservative policies coming out of Ottawa these days....
i think i made the decision some time ago to just worry about me and my family and let all the other baggage go...after all that is really all we can control......our own destiny

Your thoughts pretty much mirror my own. I don`t see a great deal of difference between the Grits and Tories. I also believe that if by some miracle the NDP became the governing party they would quickly move to the centre or risk becoming permanent opposition like their provincial counterparts in Ontario. Having said that, I also hate the left in Western countries. The ruinous policies/burdens they have forced on their populations are the reason the West is teetering on bankruptcy. I do care about policies and their effects on us. Politics though.......not so much!

[ScotlandYard]

I think after much deliberation, and to my mothers eternal shame, i have become apolitical........meaning i neither care who gets in power or support a particular party...now don't  get me wrong i absolutely hate the left.....with an all consuming passion.....but the extreme left is just an annoyance.....they will never form government in Canada.......my family is very good friends with Harper personally..........he, and several of his past ministers have stayed in (my mothers) home at various times over the years......she eats, breathes and sleeps being a conservative and is well known in the party as she was instrumental in the formation of the Reform party.....
i think the main reason i've reached this conclusion is that there really is very little difference in approach by either mainstream party......liberals are liberals and conservatives are liberals......and as that is not likely to change anytime soon......what difference does it make.......i still think Harper is the far superior leader of the group but their are few or no conservative policies coming out of Ottawa these days....
i think i made the decision some time ago to just worry about me and my family and let all the other baggage go...after all that is really all we can control......our own destiny

by abdication one gets their government by default..and inmost cases to in your interests. Governments job of business is to control your lives..think on this. Less is best and always be on their case.

[Maggie]

probably correct...but to be a true believer you have to be a little bit naive and young.....there comes a point in everyone's life when they realize you cannot change the system....the corruption and apathy is to deeply ingrained in the nations psyche...at that point you begin to focus on what is important personally and how to protect your assets and family and not worry about the "big picture" .....once you achieve personal independence you look at the world quite differently....................

[ScotlandYard]

I claim that is a form of defeatism..an abdication of will. We must remain vigilant for there are rats that want all of you in bedlam..slaves to the system. I am a libertarian by nature. I think nothing of criticizing both sides of the spectrum. On that note I favor the  conserves mostly. This incarnation isn't as dynamic as I would like on China I  must say...our worst nightmare.
I am getting up in age but never felt as confident , passionately and strongly about our Country as I do know. I am quite a strong person in many ways and I don't mince my words with respect though.

[Xiao Jie]

I claim that is a form of defeatism..an abdication of will. We must remain vigilant for there are rats that want all of you in bedlam..slaves to the system. I am a libertarian by nature. I think nothing of criticizing both sides of the spectrum. On that note I favor the  conserves mostly. This incarnation isn't as dynamic as I would like on China I  must say...our worst nightmare.
I am getting up in age but never felt as confident , passionately and strongly about our Country as I do know. I am quite a strong person in many ways and I don't mince my words with respect though.

Conan,

I admire your tenacity, but I understand what Maggie is saying. You may believe we are being defeatist, but it`s actually realism. An acceptance that some things are beyond change. If things beyond our control can`t be changed then you concentrate on the things that affect you most and that you can actually do something about.

Don`t get me wrong, the left is a destructive force throughout the West. I will oppose their poison every chance I get. However, once a party gets power the changes between them become less and less obvious. This is the realism that only so much change is possible. Apathy, hypocrisy and corruption are indeed ingrained in the system. Keep up the good fight by all means, but don`t expect big changes though.

[ScotlandYard]

I claim that is a form of defeatism..an abdication of will. We must remain vigilant for there are rats that want all of you in bedlam..slaves to the system. I am a libertarian by nature. I think nothing of criticizing both sides of the spectrum. On that note I favor the  conserves mostly. This incarnation isn't as dynamic as I would like on China I  must say...our worst nightmare.
I am getting up in age but never felt as confident , passionately and strongly about our Country as I do know. I am quite a strong person in many ways and I don't mince my words with respect though.

Conan,

I admire your tenacity, but I understand what Maggie is saying. You may believe we are being defeatist, but it`s actually realism. An acceptance that some things are beyond change. If things beyond our control can`t be changed then you concentrate on the things that affect you most and that you can actually do something about.

Don`t get me wrong, the left is a destructive force throughout the West. I will oppose their poison every chance I get. However, once a party gets power the changes between them become less and less obvious. This is the realism that only so much change is possible. Apathy, hypocrisy and corruption are indeed ingrained in the system. Keep up the good fight by all means, but don`t expect big changes though.

I'll always have room for disent till my dying breath, and I am not alone in this as there are a growing number of Canadans who are now speaking out.

we just had a big change in Canada today on  an immigration issue and the use of the ME veil. All because people bothered to speak out. One could see this change happening like a wave across Europe and now on our shores. The same thing about China's influence in Europe is starting to  make people there think again about their handouts..some handouts!
all with ankle bracelets I dont share your cynecism sorry because disent works. Peeps just need to see the real stories by real people. Thank God for the social media such as this forum.

[Xiao Jie]

Yeah, that announcement yesterday was a bit of a surprise. Women will no longer be allowed to cover their faces while taking the citizenship oath. I didn`t know they were allowed to do it in the past. Anyway, good to hear!!

[ScotlandYard]

I know what you are saying Maggie but I think you should admire your Mothers determination and spirit. Its that spirit that we inherit from our elders coming from a wartime experience against tyranny, grasp it.  Lets not kid ourselves freedom isnt free. Always keep up your vigilance.

[Maggie]

i absolutely admire mothers determination.....and as stated my basic political philosophy will never change..it's just that i no longer worry about or for that matter even care what happens in Ottawa......i long ago realized that the ONLY thing that will allow conservative forces the opportunity to grasp absolute power and role back socialism is a national or global disaster of biblical proportions.....one that leaves the average citizen so terrified of the alternative they will allow a dictatorial government to override democratic safeguards and rule with an iron fist......i do not see this happening in the near future....
i reached this conclusion as a result of years of studying and watching the insidious creep of socialism ....socialism was not introduced as something (a party) that could be voted in one term and then voted out the next.....no socialism has been allowed (for almost 8 decades) to gradually permeate every facet of our lives.....probably as much as 40% of the population receives some form of direct payment/benefit from the government...most of the other 60% receives some form of benefit from the government...this insidious creeping of government tentacles has been introduced at glacial speed...unnoticed and stealthy.....until it is at the point even conservative and libertarian thinkers would be hard pressed to vote to give up their particular subsidy...that is why it is impossible to bring sanity back into the system via the democratic process......people are only willing to pay "lip service" to the apparent solutions as long as they have a direct vested interest in the government filling their pocketbook

[Xiao Jie]

i absolutely admire mothers determination.....and as stated my basic political philosophy will never change..it's just that i no longer worry about or for that matter even care what happens in Ottawa......i long ago realized that the ONLY thing that will allow conservative forces the opportunity to grasp absolute power and role back socialism is a national or global disaster of biblical proportions.....one that leaves the average citizen so terrified of the alternative they will allow a dictatorial government to override democratic safeguards and rule with an iron fist......i do not see this happening in the near future....
i reached this conclusion as a result of years of studying and watching the insidious creep of socialism ....socialism was not introduced as something (a party) that could be voted in one term and then voted out the next.....no socialism has been allowed (for almost 8 decades) to gradually permeate every facet of our lives.....probably as much as 40% of the population receives some form of direct payment/benefit from the government...most of the other 60% receives some form of benefit from the government...this insidious creeping of government tentacles has been introduced at glacial speed...unnoticed and stealthy.....until it is at the point even conservative and libertarian thinkers would be hard pressed to vote to give up their particular subsidy...that is why it is impossible to bring sanity back into the system via the democratic process......people are only willing to pay "lip service" to the apparent solutions as long as they have a direct vested interest in the government filling their pocketbook

Well said Mr Munday. The only thing I disagree with you about is if disaster is on the horizon. I believe many Western countries will face an economic/demographic tsunami if their destructive sociailist policies are not overturned. Western countries can fail too...we are just given more rope to hang ourselves.

[ScotlandYard]

Globally we are in that straitjacket now Mr Munday. It already at the doorstep. Its got the power to shake up the whole world into a new reality. I am afraid that this opportunity will be grasped at the 11th hour by opposing Communist forces..no need to name names, as we know who they are on the world stage. It will be of no surprise  either that China is just sitting and waiting to make her move, her strike at all our necks.
Change that you and I want is by necessity incremental at best. To give in to inertia and ennui is just not on for the likes of I. Peeps demonstrating in the streets will now be commonplace and hopefully sanity rules at the end of the day. For it is in the realm of the street that all our nations will be rest back to us.