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Are We Heading For Another Cold War ?
« on: November 25, 2011, 03:33:29 am »
Russian warships off Syria, US carriers near Iran
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report November 21, 2011, 6:20 PM (GMT+02:00) Tags:  Russia   US   Canada   Syrian uprising   Iran nuclear   US carriers Stennis and Bush Big power gunboat diplomacy is in full spate in the Mediterranean and Persian Gulf. Washington is underscoring its military option against Iran's nuclear program, while Russia is demonstrating its resolve to prevent NATO attacking Syria after Libya and defending Bashar Assad's regime. Monday, Nov. 21,

 Russia's foreign minister Sergey Lavrov accused Western nations of "political provocation" by urging the Syrian opposition to refuse to negotiate a settlement with Assad.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, for his part, advised Assad: "You can only continue with tanks and guns to a certain point, the day will come when you will go."
debkafile's military sources note that Russia and America adopted aggressive postures on Nov. 12, when two American carriers, the USS Bush and USS Stennis sailed through the Strait of Hormuz side by side and took up position opposite the Iranian coast.

That was also the day when a mysterious explosion at the Revolutionary Guards base near Tehran wiped out the entire leadership of Iran's ballistic missile program.

Five days later, on Nov. 17, the Syrian news agency reported three Russian naval vessels on the Mediterranean were heading toward Syria.

Monday, Nov. 21, presidential sources in Damascus announced three warships had entered Syrian territorial waters outside Tartus port.
Those sources stressed the Russian ships would not anchor in the Syrian port, indicating that their mission was not just to show the flag for the Assad regime but was on operational duty along its coasts to resist any foreign intervention in Syria unrest.
Our military sources are watching to see whether the Russian flotilla targets the small craft transporting arms from Lebanon and Turkey to Syrian rebels fighting the regime. If so, Moscow would be able to present these strikes as actions against piracy which would fall under a UN Security Council resolution.

While Moscow and Damascus kept the identity of the Russian warships dark, Arab sources said at least two of them are equipped for gathering intelligence and electronic warfare.
As the Russian warships entered Syrian territorial waters, Canadian Defense Minister Peter McKay announced that in the light of the Syrian crisis, the Royal Canadian Navy would keep back in the Mediterranean until the end of 2012 certain vessels which took part in the Libyan campaign.

debkafile's military sources report he was referring to two frigates:

HMCS Vancouver will stay in the Mediterranean Sea until early next year," he said, taking part in "locating, tracking, reporting (and) boarding vessels of interest suspected of international terrorism." It would be relieved by HMCS Charlottetown until the end of 2012.

Defense Minister Mckay explained: "?a lot of dictators are on notice that this type of behavior isn't going to be tolerated. How we go about it and what comes next is done on? an escalating scale before making any final decisions about intervention."
The Canadian defense minister was the first prominent Western official to admit the possibility of Western military intervention in Syria.

Three more events affecting the fate of the Assad regime, Tehran's closest ally, followed in quick succession Monday:
British Foreign Secretary William Hague received a delegation of the opposition Syrian National Council in London. Shortly before the interview the SNC published its plan for the transition of power from the Assad regime in Damascus, calling also for "international protection for Syrian civilians."

In Syria itself, three buses carrying Turkish pilgrims home from Mecca were accosted by a Syrian checkpoint at Cizre near Homs. The passengers were ordered to disembark for their papers to be inspected. The Syrian soldiers then started shooting at them, injuring a passenger and one of the drivers.
This incident will not be treated lightly by the Erdogan government.
Until now, despite vocal threats, Ankara has not intervened directly in the nine-month Syrian uprising aside from arming and training rebels.

Also Monday, Jordan's King Abdullah II paid a surprise visit to Ramallah for talks with the Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas. One of the items on his agenda was an attempt to find out where the Palestinian leader stands vis-?-vis the Arab Revolt, especially on the conflict in Syria. 

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Re: Are We Heading For Another Cold War ?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 11:15:47 pm »
The previous Cold War was only prevented from becoming a hot one by the simple concept of M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction). Coupled with a strong and determined Nato with forces in Europe to act as a buffer it would have been shear insanity to contemplate escalating a Cold War into a hot one.

All of that has changed.

America has dismantled many of its nukes, Nato is considered (by some) to be no longer necessary and the troops in Europe have largely been withdrawn. The leader of the west (America) is on its way down although it is not quite out of the picture yet and the East and Europe are all rising rapidly. (Watch Europe in all this!). The next war of global significance wont be cold but very hot and will probably begin insignificantly enough but will likely build to a crescendo. (IMHO)

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Re: Are We Heading For Another Cold War ?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 02:27:11 am »
no arguments here. This topic is not a forte of mine

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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 03:18:13 am »
Then why ask the question numbnuts? It's been apparent that your 'forte' is pretty limited

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 05:56:58 pm »
  I asked the question as this topic is interesting and I want to know more unlike your constant posting on China threads which you obviously are completely clueless about.

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 07:38:42 pm »
So in other words if what someone else has to say doesn't mesh with your preconceived ideas it's time for you to plead ignorance, right? That's pretty lame and tells much more about you than you realize. You need to expand your horizons and learn a little more about the rest of the world. Not everything revolves around China, or did you and The Dummy never pick up on that?

You're a hopeless and self deluded fool ... dumb too, really dumb!


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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2011, 08:19:36 pm »
Then why ask the question numbnuts? It's been apparent that your 'forte' is pretty limited

the forte as you so casually dismiss is his honesty and an interest on subjects of difficulty, readilly admitting his limitations,quite refreshing dont youthink.Always ready to learn whereas you are Dead'Head'Dumb.Everyone that you disagree with are called liars...and so therefor no one cares what you say.
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now run along and play in the trees...

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2011, 09:52:10 pm »
Now there's a first for ya! A reference to Gary Oak and the word 'honesty' used in the same sentance.  What next?

Look here numbnuts! I can and do learn a great deal, I just choose to learn it from other sources besides you who's hatefull agenda clouds everything you do. I learn important things dummy, while you 'learn' rubbish and lies from conspiracy sites and youtube ... and then you perpetuate them endlessly and boringly here and elsewhere.

I don't like you, you're a liar, you have a filthy and unclean mind and you get your kicks by wallowing in bullshit! All key ingredients for the making of a pig. Take a bow ****!
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2011, 03:48:20 am »
you are not able top learn with all the hatred you froth forth..You are braindead..sorry..Total bitterness in everything you post.No you are the liar..only you. You have to face up to your lost years or you will never mature. boy

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2011, 06:45:54 am »
Whatever you say loser ...

Hey, the streetlights are on, better get home and tell you mommy she wants you.

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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2011, 05:46:38 pm »
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Re: Are We Heading For Another Cold War ?
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2011, 02:05:47 am »
Westerners want cold war with china. Always interfere and tell the lies about China.

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Re: Are We Heading For Another Cold War ?
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2011, 05:59:32 pm »
  So China Rising, do you think that Canada can trust China ? Why are you living in Canada and not China ?